and the comp ready by easter eg. xmas next year

Reason and rewire will run as 32bit on a 64bit OS(though obv won't rewire 64bit plugs). So why bother with the dual boot? Just record the organ into a cheap 64bit host, and then import(or whatever) into reason. Reaper has some sort of 32/64bit bridge. But I can't remeber which way round it works. Besides, they had a lot of problems with it, and last time I used reaper the bridge was omitted.

Why do you need a water cooled PSU? Even the non "silent" ones are very quiet these days.

A wise man once said something like "Anyone who uses a computer for serious stuff (as opposed to just dicking about) should approach any upgrades with extreme caution".

Instead of putting all your eggs in a 64bit basket, why not keep your existing rig, build a 64 bit box to run Hauptwerk and link them with MIDI over LAN or similar? It'll be more expensive in the short term, but you could die of old age waiting for the software and hardware world to get up to 64bit speed. It'll doubtless mean less migration-based trouble too.

the water cooling bit is about passion

Cubase does 64 bit.. what Hauptwerk needs is 64-bit OS.. the idea is to access more memory.. nothing else. But yes - I could use Cubase 5 32-bit and things might work.

Doing dual-boot is really no problem.. I will probably run dual-boot anyway, since I always leave a muso-partition where I shut off most internet-stuff (i.e. antivirus, firewalls, filters, etc... and ofcourse disables the network card). These days a comp needs to go on the internet for updates anyway... I like the idea that this comp will control me instead of vice versa.. mwhahaha

It's happening. My predictions are coming all true.

I got the "case" now..



it was on sale.. so I got it for cheap

but - I have one new problem.. my MusicQuest 8Port/SE have no driver for Win7.. not even Vista as far as I know - it runs on a printer-port!! and a third party XP-driver..
anyways.. this thingy is ACE!! It's a MIDI-merger, and it's a MIDI patchbay.. in addition to be a MIDI-interface..

on my new comp I will ofcourse need an 8x8 MIDI-interface.. but I also want the patchbay and merging facilities.. - as far as I can tell its only the MOTU Midi timepiece that have these features.. but I will not need to sync to ADAT dammit.. - I could ofcourse program the one I've got and start using it as a merger/patchbay only.. but then I will need to keep an XP-comp to be able to progam its 8 memory slots.. and simply connect it to my EMU1616M.. - but that is no top-system.. the miditimepiece is way too expensive for what I need it for.. -

Older spammers may recognise this as orac from the TV series Blake's 7...

update: today I got a second Zalman Reserator - planning on using two separate systems instead of cooling the water with a fan. Got it cheap from a guy who didn't think water cooling was cool any more.

eivind, are you secretly an uber l33t haxor gamer dude?

Water cooling? For music? Why?

ps Love the Blake's 7 pic. I loved that programme

why water? silence me friend!!! utter silence!

yeah - I know I can put the computer in my room next door - but then I won't be able to admire it will I??

It'll still look like some kind of portable air conditioning unit ...

But still, the air based fans surely will give you plenty of cooling and the Zalman things are pretty decent aren't they? (Pricy, but good?)

I have the Resorator II version, & it's tempermental to be honest.

The integrated pump wasn't up to the job, and ultimately was the cause of the CPU water block splitting from overheating. This got the motherboard all wet, and fucked up my system.

One new mobo, CPU block, and a better pump later, things are ok.

However, the Zalman Reserator II, can be a pain. When it detects low flow it shuts off the pump and emits an alarm. This is bad if you're not in the room to hear it.

If I was to do it all again, I'd go the quiet fans route.

Nothing worse than being inspired in the middle of a recording project, and having to sort out a water cooling flow issue.

well - this is the original Reserator, of which I've got one that have runned without any probs for several years now.. - I take great care in using as short hoses as possible carefully planning the waterflow.. and since it's located in my music room in the cellar it's not possible that it ever will overheat.. I've never measured CPU'temps above 42oC - even in my OC'ing days. Instead of adding a fan - or getting a watercooling system with a fan - I simply got one more Reserator.. one for the CPU and Northbridge - and one for PSU and GPU.. .. I recon - not fully decided on how to use the two systems.. it will be easier to decide once I get the mobo.

the current system.. now that's short hoses! reason is that the pump doesn't have to work that hard when the hoses are short

whohoo.. Roland has made a 64-bit windoz 7 driver for the UM-880 8x8 MIDI unit. Just about everything is supported. Now that's good news!

I recon this Gigabyte card might do the trick then.. - it's also got one PCI-slot.. so I will not have to worry about the EMU-issue (i.e. wait for the PCIe-card to arrive at the shops)...

http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=513288

It looks like a good'n...But. The north bridge cooler is a bit silly. Cos apparently they just slapped the water cooling block on top of a standard northbridge block with fins on it. But dispite this the bolt on northbridge cooler gets the job done. So I suppose it would work ok with watercooling too. Just a moment of sillyness I guess. Also the top 2 PCIeX1 ports are rendered unusable by the bolt-on cooler. And even with water cooling, the top one is useless unless you had a really short board for it.

But every board has it's faults.

huh?? there's no water there.. it's a passive heathpipe thingy.. although after I'm finished with it - there will probably be a waterblock atop the northbridge..

I'm thinking of ditching XP and sticking 7 as the OS on my DAW.
Need to look into drivers first.

Yeah it has a northbridge water block. But as I said, it doesn't mate up properly to the heatsink underneath it. Plus the heatsink underneath has fins on it. I guess you'd probably just strip both sink and block off and use a custom block that's endorsed by Thor. Though what to do about cooling the VRMs etc. Though that depends on wether you want to clock it, and being as you're not going to have any airflow from a CPU cooler, probably water cool that too. But that's OK. You like water cooling.

I toyed with the idea of using it for new build. But it ain't gonna happen now.

ah.. yes .. damn me - you're right!

oh - and I've lost TWO eBay auctions on the Edirol UM-880 USB 8x8 Midinterface by now.. damn..
and the fella selling one here in Oslo doesn't reply on emails.. shite.

The only 8x8 USB MIDI-interface on the market that have both MIDI-merging and routing is the is the MOTU MIDItimepiece.. and I really don't need all the sync-stuff that makes it so friggin expensive
I'm not even sure if they support windoz7 yet.. but the old out-of-production Edirol-thingy does!! I'll have to continue my hunt.

(I do have one workaround on the MIDI-patchbay/routing and merging thingy.. and that is to program my 8PORT-SE and disconnect it from the computer and run a MIDI-out from it into my EMU-1616M.. but I will always need an XP-comp with a printerport if I ever need to reprogram the thingy.. and that might happen because it's only got 8 programable presets.. a relic from the past as it is..

there's also this solution.. allowing full watercooling of the board..

Midi. That's So 80s.

That water block is just plain Sexy.

Midi still works, if it aint broke, dont feck it up by messing with it.

how goes the build eivind?

I'm in no hurry really.. - but at last I've found a PSU that I may be able to use..

http://www.silentmaxx.de/en/silent-comp ... ooled.html

They're not available here up cold north, so I'll get it directly from Silentmaxx I recon..

Well we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I think Midi is shit. Ok. It can just about manage to send note data. But that's about it.

erm.. you could actually use MIDI to control just about everything in a house..


and program everything using your sequencer

run dinner.mid

you need to learn more midi, clock, cc, nrpn.

just yesterday i had a single midi lead automating an outboard delay and outboard filter,
sweeping 4 parameters at once, i cant do that with two hand but i can with a mouse and a controller lane.

Ah, my computer is now fast as lightning !

I'm going to install all the appropiate software so i can force it to crawl from now on.

Yeah. Then you'd go to dinner at 7:30 and find that midi has cleared the table already. Asuming you did get to eat dinner, and you got up halway through to answer the phone, when you returned, you'd find your plate had refilled itself.

Excuuuuse me!

That's nice. Well you've got Live, so at least you can warp it all back into sync. After many years of hair pulling, I've left midi behind, and I won't be coming back for it.

I got the i3 thing. But you haven't posted the rest of the spec yet.

Do tell.

It's working. Currently posting from it. Internet's speed is very good right now (450 Kbps) - clearly the old PC couldn't handle it.

Geez. I can tell you're a wannabe Mactard.

So a fast, cost effective 1TB hard drive. Is it a Samsung F3?

"8 cores". I asume it/you meant threads. Aren't the i3 CPUs dual core(4 threads)?

I'm just pasting the results of the report, so i'm not sure what it meants with the number 8.

Why the mactard wannabe monicker ? I really don't have any experience with mac computers besides the ipad.

The good thing with this motherboard is that i could upgrade up to an i7, double the RAM and add up to 6 more drives -once the prices fall, of course-.

In the meantime it kicks some arse.

No. It's just that PC folks usually post an entire rundown of brands, specs and how much they're clocking it by. Followed by some synthetic benchmarks.

Sounds good anyway. I don't know why it's reporting as 8 cores either. I've not had experience of recent intel hardware, aside from dropping them into a board and giving them back to their owner.

Weird. Just had two random white flashes across my screen. I hope my trusty old 19" CRT isn't just about to snuff it.

Oh, CRTs will be considered a piece of art in a few years.

I chose the components for this PC expecting it to last at least ten years. Last time i made a desktop was in 2001. And very probably, this will be the last desktop i'll ever build, given the fact that everything is shrinking these days (private parts included) and going the all-in-one route.

this comp has lasted me nearly 8 years, and its only because of
swollen capacitors that its getting replaced, so i expect to get
just as long out of its replacement. While before i was building
a new machine every 2 years just to keep pace with software
requirements. I'm assuming that everyone is in a similar boat,
so less components are being bought world wide so the
economies of scale are figuring less and less, so
the days of buying a CPU for £40 are gone, i just spent 80 on 4gig
of ddr3, this will probably come down a bit but i'm sticking with xp32bit
as i really dislike windows newer OS's, might give googles linux a gander tho.

debate your stuff as much as you like..

here you'll find me occupied with the stuff that nobody really care about.. power-supplies. But I tell you - it's what makes a comp tick.

All builds start with a good PSU. Trouble is I want something that nobody want to sell me.

do you want a fanless kilowatt PSU or something just as unlikely.

that much power needs something to take the heat away and fans are a cheap safe option, water cooling a psu is mad scientist stuff.